tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.comments2023-03-06T07:26:10.926-08:00Genealogy - This, That, TotherAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-24491791021778246812021-05-30T13:18:12.968-07:002021-05-30T13:18:12.968-07:00I am a great great great grandaughter and yes, Bet...I am a great great great grandaughter and yes, Betsy Cloud was full blood Cherokee. All you have to do is look at her picture. She was born on Black Mountain, North Carolina.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906025848093260566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-13655179834017761102017-11-22T22:19:11.669-08:002017-11-22T22:19:11.669-08:00This is an old post but neither Isham Barrett Nor ...This is an old post but neither Isham Barrett Nor Elizabeth Angel are Native American. Isham was born in 1790 Virginia and is listed as a physician in the 1850 breathitt census. In fact all families are listed in the Breathitt Census in 1860. Isham and Elizabeth left Buncombe North Carolina with Elizabeth's family in toe after the 1820 census. The family ended up in<br />Clay County Kentucky. Absalom Angel is seen in the 1830 census. So is his father James and Nancy. James and Nancy's other children were Ephraim Angel 1799, married Susannah Ingram, Elijah Angel 1803, married Elizabeth Bowman, James Angel Jr 1807, married Elizabeth Cunningham. By 1820 in Buncombe he and his wife Marthena nicknamed "Theny" had 3 daughters under the age of 5. In 1830 the couple is in Clay County with a daughter age 5 or under, and one 10-20. There children were Joseph Angel 1829, married Catherine Gabbard, Wilbrun Angel 10/1831 married Marilda Mays, Levi Angel 1835 married Margaret, Ruben Angel 1834 married Katherine Couch, Barbara Ellen Angel, married James Barnett, Mary Angel b. 1825 married Harrison Angel. Absalmon died before 1840. Marthena is believe to be a Sparks not a Cloud. Martin Van Buren Angel was born in 1844 to Marthena, he is the son of Roger Turner Jr. By the 1860 census he is seen living with his sister Mary and her husband Harrison Herald. He went under both the surname Angel and Turner until his biological father died. Then he took the name Turner. His father was Roger Turner Jr.Since both the Angels and Jetts are part of my family on each side, I question the surname Cloud for Elizabeth. I find it on online genealogies but not anything else. I think Elizabeth Jett is Elizabeth Angel one of the older daughters and it is possible that on the death certificate the informant confused Herkanus' mother with his grandmother or another possibility is he was raised by the sister and brother in law and belonged to Marthena herself. This theory may not sit well but it is a possibility.If you check out the 1860 census Harrison Herald, Mary Angel Herald, and Martin V are 250/250,Levi Angel, Margaret his wife, Marthena Angel his mother are 251/251/, Newton Jett and Elizabeth are 252/252, not far from them Roger Turner Jr and his wife and family. The Angels were not native American, they were Anglo Irish. James Angel Sr 1763 was the son of Charles Angel of Rhode Island and Sybella Cummings. For the record Marthena was born in 1800 and married Absalom around 1816. There isn't a record of this Marthena having been married to a Benjamin Cloud, nor carrying the surname of Cloud or marrying someone other that Absalom Angel. Angel was her married name. I will also point out since my parents are from Breathitt people most people love to spin yarns about their Native American roots however without proof, like a dna test don't take to much of it to heart.A Stray Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08885205434000535092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-55431841447650860032016-11-19T17:16:31.192-08:002016-11-19T17:16:31.192-08:00Emily is also my 3rd great grandmother through She...Emily is also my 3rd great grandmother through Sherman. Excited to hear about your discoveries!! Cousin Carol<br />Cousin Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657407409002295305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-20062110904084643652016-09-15T18:24:37.382-07:002016-09-15T18:24:37.382-07:00Time-travel machines would be good:) Tis sad some...Time-travel machines would be good:) Tis sad some of the decisions people have to make-especially parents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-15995230190989066212016-09-15T18:24:23.154-07:002016-09-15T18:24:23.154-07:00Time-travel machines would be good:) Tis sad some...Time-travel machines would be good:) Tis sad some of the decisions people have to make-especially parents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-23404194711724134042016-07-14T06:53:41.885-07:002016-07-14T06:53:41.885-07:00Sounds like you have some research challenges -- a...Sounds like you have some research challenges -- and fun -- ahead of you!Fran Salyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05799023686914598187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-27205019090206241122016-04-04T11:44:10.787-07:002016-04-04T11:44:10.787-07:00Hi Debbie, thanks for sharing. I've seen Hark...Hi Debbie, thanks for sharing. I've seen Harkanis spelled several different ways, and I've not come across his signature yet to see how he spelled it. The Death Certificate spells it this way and information was provided by his son, Ezekial-my 2nd great grandfather, you are probably correct with this being the most correct spelling. Would love to share information with you. I am a DAR member and am aware of the information they have. I recently provided them with the correct name of Caroline. They had McGuire and it is actually McQuinn. I believe Elizabeth Cloud Jett raised Harkanus but cannot dismiss what is on the Death Certificate. I've seen the seal on the tombstone, but am still trying to find any documentation. If you would like to compare notes, my email is LindaC885@aol.com.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-88879130928248952542016-04-04T11:31:26.738-07:002016-04-04T11:31:26.738-07:00Thanks for sharing. I do believe that we are talk...Thanks for sharing. I do believe that we are talking two different families. I need to find out more about Geney Angel and am guessing that she may be related to Marthena Angel since the Jetts and the Angels lived close. Do you have any clues? Would love to exchange information. I'm also descended from Levi's wife-Emily, she is my 3rd great grandmother.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-50343309644367466422016-04-04T11:31:16.522-07:002016-04-04T11:31:16.522-07:00Thanks for sharing. I do believe that we are talk...Thanks for sharing. I do believe that we are talking two different families. I need to find out more about Geney Angel and am guessing that she may be related to Marthena Angel since the Jetts and the Angels lived close. Do you have any clues? Would love to exchange information. I'm also descended from Levi's wife-Emily, she is my 3rd great grandmother.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16633198121482843092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-16453188116736899222016-04-01T21:04:46.105-07:002016-04-01T21:04:46.105-07:00I disagree with your conclusion. Elizabeth Angel ...I disagree with your conclusion. Elizabeth Angel Cloud (Nickname Betsy) married to Newton Jett were Harkanis Jett's (which is actually the correct spelling too) parents. Natheny Angel Cloud married to Benjamin Cloud were her parents. I have documentation. You can visit the Daughters of the American Revolution Site as another resource. Also there is a book available for free download called Jett Trails Revisted. It's a great resource. Betsy's grave is marked with the Great Seal of the Cherokee Nation. Betsy and Newton are my great-great-great grandparents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07855819702920494784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-41706466124389456852016-02-24T00:23:53.288-08:002016-02-24T00:23:53.288-08:00Elizabeth Cloud is not the daughter of Absalom Ang...Elizabeth Cloud is not the daughter of Absalom Angel and Marthena Sparks. They are my grandparents several times removed. Levi Angel, however is their son. Harcanus Jett's death certificate lists his mother as Geney Angel. My cousin is his direct descendant and the Jett's are part of my father's line. A Stray Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08885205434000535092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-62404734761042698422016-01-18T20:59:15.197-08:002016-01-18T20:59:15.197-08:00I found some more interesting facts on Elizabeth C...I found some more interesting facts on Elizabeth Cloud. James Angel was married to Nancy. They lived in Buncombe, in North Carolina. James had 5 siblings, two of which were named Elijah and Mathena Themy Angel. (remember the name listed on Herrancus Jett's death certificate: "Geny or Theny Angel) Now, James Angel and Nancy had three children: Ephraim, Elizabeth Betsy Angel and Absolam Angel. Their daughter, Elizabeth Betsy Angel married Isham Ishom Barren Barrett and they had three children. <br />The 1850 Breathitt County census lists James Angel, Isham Barrett and Elizabeth in one household. This same census also lists Mathena Angel and three small children in another household. They were close neighbors of Herranacus and Elizabeth Cloud Jett. The 1840 census also lists, among others, Theny Angel and Newton Jett as neighbors.<br />SO it is probable that 1) Theny "Geney" Angel was the mother of Herranacus Jett, as was listed by Ezekiel Morton Jett on Herranacus' death certificate, and 2) The mistaken identity has been between the two Elizabeths: Elizabeth Cloud and Elizabeth Betsy Angel. I have seen Buncombe, North Carolina listed as Elizabeth Clouds birthplace, but that is Elizabeth Betsy Angels birthplace, NOT our Elizabeth Clouds birthplace. 3) It is also possible that Elizabeth Betsy Angel and her husband Ishom Barren Barrett were Native American, and that is where the idea came from that Elizabeth Cloud, Newons wife, was Indian, when in fact she was not.bobbyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17418602222339282616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-8462143709497658012014-03-13T06:30:59.894-07:002014-03-13T06:30:59.894-07:00Happy Blog Anniversary! May you have many great ge...Happy Blog Anniversary! May you have many great genealogy discoveries & happy posts ahead!Colleen G. Brown Pasqualehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402783115333431440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-87827341610178662282013-05-01T09:08:39.793-07:002013-05-01T09:08:39.793-07:00Oh my gosh Linda! That ADGD had me rolling! For th...Oh my gosh Linda! That ADGD had me rolling! For those of us who have a touch of traditional ADD, ADGD gets amplified! Amen to the book recommendation too....and I just discovered your new blog today - you're doing such a great job! I now have a new blog to read - and I especially like the Kentucky peep blogs :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700942096676683769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-40157037710112899492013-03-26T15:08:31.438-07:002013-03-26T15:08:31.438-07:00Linda, I'm so sorry to hear that. So young! Th...Linda, I'm so sorry to hear that. So young! Those vital statistics which we usually thrive on discovering sometimes get too close for comfort.<br /><br />I stopped by today, because I saw a mention of your blog on GeneaBloggers. Best wishes as you continue your blogging and research journey!Jacqi Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03471698670217119444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-51480637217656182132013-03-26T13:14:58.634-07:002013-03-26T13:14:58.634-07:00My brother-in-law just passed away this week. It ...My brother-in-law just passed away this week. It is just too hard to put it into my family history database. I think I will wait a yr or so....<br />Regards,<br />Theresa (Tangled Trees)TCasteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261694755025450452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-53598639130019992042013-03-24T20:53:22.748-07:002013-03-24T20:53:22.748-07:00Welcome to Geneabloggers!
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http:/...Welcome to Geneabloggers!<br /><br />Regards, Grant<br /><br />http://thestephenshewoodletters.blogspot.comThe Brigham City Forthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730977120055467249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-22933634308010529072013-03-23T21:52:01.215-07:002013-03-23T21:52:01.215-07:00Welcome to GeneaBloggers!
I took the genealogy bl...Welcome to GeneaBloggers!<br /><br />I took the genealogy blogging leap myself almost a year ago. And I have to say, it's been fun.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Jana<br /><br />Jana Iverson Lasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687969613629975601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-87132983743894803692013-03-23T13:01:57.986-07:002013-03-23T13:01:57.986-07:00I'm thinking about 'taking the leap myself...I'm thinking about 'taking the leap myself' -- so I'm especially excited to follow you as you begin the blogging journey. It sure looks like you are off to a very good start, with some very interesting posts. Nice layout as well!! I hope you will add a surname page, and that you will also include a few posts about the blogging experience itself.STICKLE ONShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14758631948223906637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7317511552430627454.post-44334775040422287342013-03-23T08:51:50.490-07:002013-03-23T08:51:50.490-07:00Such a good point. I hadn't thought about it b...Such a good point. I hadn't thought about it before, but it is important to know not only "where" to donate your research but also "how." I think you have inspired a blog post for me!Heather Kuhn Roelkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247311735034470203noreply@blogger.com